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#1 FC_paragon

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

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"Unless BioWare chooses to take a marketing risk (which EA will almost certainly veto), any Mass Effect game will have a human protagonist or at least several humans in the party [in a prequel]. The backstory of the Mass Effect universe very clearly shows that humanity has been part of the galactic community for such a short time that still-living characters can remember when aliens were mere myth. This does not leave a large span of time for stories to take place. Having the game take place in a previous Reaper cycle has the problem that every cycle before Shepard’s failed, making any player character doomed from the start."

"Comments by... Chris Priestly... [and] Mike Gamble indicate that BioWare has no plans to further change the endings at this time.[Statements] by Priestly and Jessica Merizan, respectively, that the popular Indoctrination Theory remains a “valid possibility” with the current endings and that the Extended Cut “neither confirms nor denies IT,” it appears that BioWare’s plan to deal with the controversy is to try to keep everyone happy by staying ambiguous."
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What other potential issues do you think will be encountered with creating an ME sequel? An ME prequel?

Will a cannonized ending that does not correspond with YOUR choice affect your decision of whether or not to purchase ME4?

What do you think of Bioware's ambiguity regarding Indoctrination Theory?

Do you generally appreciate ambiguity in your gaming experiences, something you discourage, or is this circumstantial?


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

"Comments by... Chris Priestly... [and] Mike Gamble indicate that BioWare has no plans to further change the endings at this time.[Statements] by Priestly and Jessica Merizan, respectively, that the popular Indoctrination Theory remains a “valid possibility” with the current endings and that the Extended Cut “neither confirms nor denies IT,” it appears that BioWare’s plan to deal with the controversy is to try to keep everyone happy by staying ambiguous."

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

What if I told you... that Mass Effect 2+3 were just halucinations and with breath scene Shepard woke up from rubbles of Sovereign in Mass Effect 1...


And now serious -

Why is the ending of ME3 check mate ?

Well you have 4 completely different endings which tearing apart whole Mass Effect universe as we knew him and also make any sequel impossible.

What they will do ?

A: They will pick canon ending based on the most popular or their most favourite

B: IT is true

C: They will left ME3 ending where they are and new ME IP will take place in different galaxy, different space, reality... whatever...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:09 PM

They have to consider IT. and after that ME4
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:21 PM

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I personally hate the way that they are playing middle man. If taken at face value, all that statment says to me is that they could care less about their product or their customers; all they are concerned about is trying to please everyone just enough so that they can keep making a pretty penny. Can we just have an answer? We've invested five years and hundreds of dollars into this series, it's not right to hold out on us like this. Is it because they just don't care as I mentioned before? Is it because Project X is true and they are working on actually finishing the game? Is it because they don't want to admit that they screwed up? Is it because they don't want to admit that fans may have come up with something that is much better than they ever could have?

As far as the comment about a previous reaper cycle and the character failing to doom, that's another one that I have to soundly disagree with. So what? Ever hear of that little game called Halo? You know, it's kinda/sorta a big deal on the Xbox? Well last I checked, when I played Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, etc, I knew that the Master Chief was the last of the Spartans because it was mentioned on more than one occasion...so what did they do? Release Halo: Reach, a prequel that tells the story of the rise of the Covenant and the fall of Reach and the Spartans, that leads into the events of the first Halo game. So yeah, we all knew that the characters in the game we're doomed, and guess what, it worked out pretty darn well, didn't it? I'm not trying to lobby for ME4 to be something pre current reaper cycle, I'm just trying to point out how and why their logic is flawed, yet again.

What in the heck happened to this company?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:22 PM

I always thought the next game would take place in another galaxy. Surely reapers dont just concentrate on the one galaxy.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:28 PM

Intergalactic travel is beyond even the Reapers I would say

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:35 PM

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This is beyond artistic integrity at this point.
We asked for a solid answer. We want a solid fucking answer.
And they still play asshole.
Essentially, they're playing the same damn gimmick as before.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:43 PM

Intergalactic travel is beyond even the Reapers I would say

i don't think this is beyond them, we know that they come from dark space which is in essence is between galaxies. reapers traveling from dark space to our galaxy would indicate intergalactic travel because dark space is intergalactic space.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:26 PM

Generally speaking this is exactly what they should be doing.
I hate it. Oh god do I hate it. But there's nothing else they can do.

Of course if IT was actually their intent all along this wouldn't be happening. So the more they play this stupid "It's whatever you want it to be baby" line, the more I know they're just covering their tracks.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

This is beyond artistic integrity at this point.
We asked for a solid answer. We want a solid fucking answer.
And they still play asshole.
Essentially, they're playing the same damn gimmick as before.

I agree I'm getting real tired of being fucking toyed with. I want a straight up answer they have to tell us soon enough WHY ARE THEY PLAYING WITH OUR EMOTIONS? :squint:
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:31 PM

I've stopped paying attention to what they say long ago.. I don't know why you people even bother........

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:40 PM

LOL so they said nothing at all then.

Release Halo: Reach, a prequel that tells the story of the rise of the Covenant and the fall of Reach and the Spartans, that leads into the events of the first Halo game. So yeah, we all knew that the characters in the game we're doomed, and guess what, it worked out pretty darn well, didn't it? I'm not trying to lobby for ME4 to be something pre current reaper cycle, I'm just trying to point out how and why their logic is flawed, yet again.


Yes, thank you! Just because the characters are doomed from the start, it doesn't make the story redundant. Noble Six delivered Cortana to the Autumn after all, so the characters still had a major effect on the rest of the series. Maybe the new characters could finish the the Crucible designs at the end but not have time to construct them. Something like that.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:55 PM

They should just use the IT and make ME4. No need for a different universe... We live in a reality where evil never rests. It's not like everyone became loving and caring after the destruction of the reapers. All they need is totally new characters. A new trilogy would do fine... You mention old characters once or twice, make the old fans happy an make the money making machine going. I mean i would buy it... :p
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:06 PM

I'd say they will pick the destroy option as the canon ending. Not the option I chose but I wouldn't be pissed about it, because I prefer a sequel to a prequel.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

Thought someone mentioned that synth was the likely "canon" pick... but I also think that it was Jessica whatever her last name is on Twitter, so we can pretty much disregard it anyhow

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:31 PM

Well,I'm 100% sure of one thing-IT never in the world was planned thing.Never.We can still search for things that support the Indoctrination Theory,but we have to get along with the fact that it have never been intended.

And that they shouldn't expose words of Merizan and Priestly on the same level as words of Michael Gamble.
Gamble works with the scripts.
Priestly and Merizan work with trolls.
Well...

They have to consider IT. and after that ME4


I bet they did this thousands of time already.They just decided to do nothing.

Intergalactic travel is beyond even the Reapers I would say


How do you know?We've never learned enough of Reapers to know such things.
Besides,two words.
Mass Relays.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:52 PM

Dont know where post this so.... anyway, I believe you all have already seen it

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:55 PM

Dont know where post this so.... anyway, I believe you all have already seen it

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:42 PM

I personally hate the way that they are playing middle man. If taken at face value, all that statment says to me is that they could care less about their product or their customers; all they are concerned about is trying to please everyone just enough so that they can keep making a pretty penny. Can we just have an answer? We've invested five years and hundreds of dollars into this series, it's not right to hold out on us like this. Is it because they just don't care as I mentioned before? Is it because Project X is true and they are working on actually finishing the game? Is it because they don't want to admit that they screwed up? Is it because they don't want to admit that fans may have come up with something that is much better than they ever could have?


Aaaaalll of that and then some!

Also on a different note, and I've said it before and so have many others, It'd be asinine for them to call the next game Mass Effect 4 without Shepard in it. It's just... not ok!
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